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Something to be ashamed of!

Post by Trishia » 17 Nov 2017, 12:41

This is something Australia should be part of!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-17/2 ... 30/9161056

How could our Politicians be so STUPID?/
We have that ratbag Abbot to blame for this.
When will they learn??????

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Post by Slapsy » 17 Nov 2017, 13:13

Turnbull was going to change things? About all he has going for him,at the moment,is his smile.
The punters know that the horse called Morality rarely gets past the post,whereas the nag called Self-interest always runs a good race. ..... Gough Whitlam 19/10/89

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Post by Perrorist » 17 Nov 2017, 16:56

It's a tragedy, and future generations will be the ones to suffer.

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Post by Biggdad » 17 Nov 2017, 22:45

we should do what the majority of the world is doing, not paying mindless subsidies while other countries use & build
modern clean coal generators
Read this

http://joannenova.com.au/2017/07/coal-b ... easing-43/

and this.

http://joannenova.com.au/2017/07/pop-qu ... subsidies/

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Post by Perrorist » 18 Nov 2017, 06:57

Clean coal is an oxymoron. Coal is carbon. No matter how you extract and use it, carbon dioxide is emitted, which is harmful to our current environment.

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Post by grandduke » 18 Nov 2017, 10:32

But, coal provides baseload electricity and you can bet
your life if the lights went out there would be a riot.
Soooooo until renewables can fill that gap coal it is
folks unless they want to go nuclear. :icon-mrgreen:
“You see things; and you say, ‘Why?’ But I dream things that never were; and I say, ‘Why not?’”
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Post by Perrorist » 18 Nov 2017, 11:47

Baseload doesn't require coal, and certainly not new coal mines. Gas is already used for baseload. Meanwhile, storage technology is roaring ahead with higher capacity batteries and pumped hydro.

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Post by Biggdad » 18 Nov 2017, 14:51

Perrorist wrote:
18 Nov 2017, 06:57
Clean coal is an oxymoron. Coal is carbon. No matter how you extract and use it, carbon dioxide is emitted, which is harmful to our current environment.
Big P; have you read the article & have you seen or visited an aluminium smelter.
The experts still haven't come up with a way to get rid of old solar panels & lithium batteries safely.
When you look at between 500 > 1000 kilo old car batteries per car, this adds up to a lot of dangerous waste!

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Post by Dreamweaver » 18 Nov 2017, 15:16

I can understand though not agree with those who favour keeping coal fired generation to fill a supposed gap. The gap is disappearing, and
unless we keep up we think last year's knowledge is still current. (That applies to many fields!) But for the life of me I can't understand the
push for new coal-fired generators, let alone new mines! Yes, I know of hearts being wrung by the plight of so many poor in India who need
electricity now. But . . . :hitting_wall

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Post by Dreamweaver » 18 Nov 2017, 16:30

Biggdad wrote:
18 Nov 2017, 14:51

Big P; have you read the article & have you seen or visited an aluminium smelter.
The experts still haven't come up with a way to get rid of old solar panels & lithium batteries safely.
When you look at between 500 > 1000 kilo old car batteries per car, this adds up to a lot of dangerous waste!
Not just old solar panels and lithium batteries, either, but much older technology. Anything with rare earth, (think magnets) lead and acid is harmful to the environment. Only recently has a way been found to recycle rare earth. http://mashable.com/2017/06/20/urban-mi ... nJCbcqpOqJ

These problems have always existed, but while still invisible we can't start working on a solution. For how long have we been putting older type batteries into land-fill?
Batteries are made up of heavy metals and other toxic elements, including nickel, cadmium, alkaline, mercury, nickel metal hydride, and lead acid. It is these elements that can threaten our environment if not properly discarded and/or recycled.

Unfortunately, batteries which end up in landfills and incinerators leak into the environment, causing a serious health risk to humans and animals.

Surprisingly, Australia does not currently have a national recycling scheme for non-rechargeable batteries.

As a result, leading members of the battery industry have recently joined together to investigate the initiation of a national battery collection and recycling scheme. At the moment, the only batteries that can be recycled in the country are lead-acid batteries (used in cars). All other types of batteries are either sent to local landfills or shipped to be recycled overseas.
http://www.cleanup.org.au/au/Factsheets/batteries.html

So 'getting rid' of something might not depend on restoring elements to their original condition and site, but in recycling. Metals inside batteries can be valuable and many recyclers will pay for old batteries.

I think of the journey we have come with paper since its invention.
Contents
1 Issues
1.1 Air pollution
1.2 Water pollution
1.3 Paper Waste
1.4 Wood pulping process
1.5 Chlorine and chlorine-based materials
1.6 Sulfur, hydrogen sulfide, and sulfur dioxide
1.7 Greenhouse gas emissions
1.8 Non-renewable resources
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environme ... t_of_paper

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Post by Perrorist » 18 Nov 2017, 16:52

BiggDad: Jo Nova is a right-wing climate change denier and advocate for the coal industry. She has no climate science credentials (she has a degree in microbiology) and her Skeptics Handbook has been ridiculed by climate scientists for its contradictory statements and misuse of data. In that book she asserted that global warming is not caused by greenhouse gasses and that “the world has not warmed since 2001". Read this for a review of her work.

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