9/11 revisited!

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Re: 9/11 revisited!

Post by lighthouse » 06 Sep 2014, 07:22

hawkeye wrote:Godfather: No of course I don't believe everything the government tells the public, especially since 9-11. That's why I regularly read AlJazeer. When you look at a piece of evidence today, a video, or a column by some reporter, you never really know what you're looking at or what agenda is being advanced. Photos do lie, videos do. Perhaps one theory is as good as another. However, Newsmax articles are the worst, most unreliable source, in the universe to anyone but the most rabid right wing follower. We all know Elvis is not really dead, that he actually lives in Area 51 and often visits Las Vegas. Does Area 51 exist. Of course. Until recently it has been a matter of speculation, the subject of all kinds of rumors. Secret weapons are developed there and other goodies to give the US some slight advantage in case the US ever went to war, but everybody knows the US does not believe in war or killing. In fact, I have been told that we can't believe anything, that even this is a figment of my own imagination. Please tell me the truth, do we really exist. Can I reach out and touch one of you? Where has reality gone? What was the question? If you all are what you say, please invite me to the party next time. I will bring a couple of bottles of good red.
hawkeye so now do you have doubts or fully believe what we were told about 9/11 after our discussion on this thread?
We do not have too much time on our hands, but sift through all the BS that your American Citizen tries to feed us in the useless news papers across Australia full of rubbish, while he feeds on the profits back in USA. :bye
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Re: 9/11 revisited!

Post by hawkeye » 06 Sep 2014, 09:28

I have no doubsts about 9-11. I have no doubts about the moon landing. I do have doubts about my government telling me the truth at times. About all the B/S coming from America and contaminating your papers, I'll speak to the publisher. You do understand I have no influence over Fox publications.

Have you seen where we plan to make a movie about the phone hacking mess in England that got several in trouble. I was glad the red head with the kinky hair didn't have to do time.

I listen to the President talking from Wales about the coalition working together to take out ISIS. I noticed the President listed Australia as one of our partners in this endeavor. I was in a gas station this morning getting my oil changed and listening to the County Sheriff tell a women customer she was part of the Islam problem, up on side and down the other. She was Hindu and told him so. He said what's that? The sheriff finally back-tracked. You may carry on now. :bye

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Re: 9/11 revisited!

Post by lighthouse » 06 Sep 2014, 11:35

hawkeye wrote:I have no doubsts about 9-11. I have no doubts about the moon landing. I do have doubts about my government telling me the truth at times. About all the B/S coming from America and contaminating your papers, I'll speak to the publisher. You do understand I have no influence over Fox publications.

Have you seen where we plan to make a movie about the phone hacking mess in England that got several in trouble. I was glad the red head with the kinky hair didn't have to do time.

I listen to the President talking from Wales about the coalition working together to take out ISIS. I noticed the President listed Australia as one of our partners in this endeavor. I was in a gas station this morning getting my oil changed and listening to the County Sheriff tell a women customer she was part of the Islam problem, up on side and down the other. She was Hindu and told him so. He said what's that? The sheriff finally back-tracked. You may carry on now. :bye
9/11, Moon landing, truth, US BS in Aussie papers, hacking movie......looks like USA runs on BS.

As for ISIS partnership , I thought you said recently you lot in US were looking after us !!!!!!!!!!!.........
funny how we are always asked to help your mob.....Vietnam,Iraq,Afghanistan ........Your mob lost the lot of them. :lol: :lol:
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Re: 9/11 revisited!

Post by terra » 06 Sep 2014, 13:26

hawkeye wrote:Godfather: No of course I don't believe everything the government tells the public, especially since 9-11. That's why I regularly read AlJazeer. When you look at a piece of evidence today, a video, or a column by some reporter, you never really know what you're looking at or what agenda is being advanced. Photos do lie, videos do. Perhaps one theory is as good as another. However, Newsmax articles are the worst, most unreliable source, in the universe to anyone but the most rabid right wing follower. We all know Elvis is not really dead, that he actually lives in Area 51 and often visits Las Vegas. Does Area 51 exist. Of course. Until recently it has been a matter of speculation, the subject of all kinds of rumors. Secret weapons are developed there and other goodies to give the US some slight advantage in case the US ever went to war, but everybody knows the US does not believe in war or killing. In fact, I have been told that we can't believe anything, that even this is a figment of my own imagination. Please tell me the truth, do we really exist. Can I reach out and touch one of you? Where has reality gone? What was the question? If you all are what you say, please invite me to the party next time. I will bring a couple of bottles of good red.
Hey Hawkeye !.... couple of bottles of red ?... count me in ! :very_good

I'd love to join you over dinner for a nice meal with a cheeky glass of red to chew the fat with you. The icing on the cake would be to have Julian Assange join us to discuss a few home truths. Healthy debate is so good for us.
:thumbs_up

By the way, despite the bad rap that Assange copped from the USA administration, he was awarded the "Gold Medal" from the Sydney Peace Prize. Only three others have received this award.... Dalai Lama, Nelson Mandela and Daisaku Ikeda.
http://sydneypeacefoundation.org.au/pea ... n-assange/

"Though the Peace Prize is awarded annually by the foundation, only three other people in its 14-year history have been awarded the gold award for courage in pursuit of human rights — the Dalai Lama, Nelson Mandela and Japanese Buddhist leader Daisaku Ikeda.

The foundation paid tribute to Mr. Assange's determination to seek greater transparency and accountability from governments around the world, having challenged “centuries old practices of government secrecy”.



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source:http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 008855.ece
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Re: 9/11 revisited!

Post by Dreamweaver » 12 Sep 2015, 17:32

Now I'm puzzled!
In the video I've posted elsewhere of how a terrorist's son chose peace, he claims this -
Those men would eventually be convicted of placing a van filled with 1,500 pounds of explosives into the sub-level parking lot of the World Trade Center's North Tower, causing an explosion that killed six people and injured over 1,000 others.
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On November 5th, 1990, a man named El-Sayyid Nosair walked into a hotel in Manhattan and assassinated Rabbi Meir Kahane, the leader of the Jewish Defense League. Nosair was initially found not guilty of the murder, but while serving time on lesser charges, he and other men began planning attacks on a dozen New York City landmarks, including tunnels, synagogues and the United Nations headquarters. Thankfully, those plans were foiled by an FBI informant. Sadly, the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center was not. Nosair would eventually be convicted for his involvement in the plot. El-Sayyid Nosair is my father.

1:02
I was born in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in 1983 to him, an Egyptian engineer, and a loving American mother and grade school teacher, who together tried their best to create a happy childhood for me. It wasn't until I was seven years old that our family dynamic started to change. My father exposed me to a side of Islam that few people, including the majority of Muslims, get to see. It's been my experience that when people take the time to interact with one another, it doesn't take long to realize that for the most part, we all want the same things out of life. However, in every religion, in every population, you'll find a small percentage of people who hold so fervently to their beliefs that they feel they must use any means necessary to make others live as they do.

1:54
A few months prior to his arrest, he sat me down and explained that for the past few weekends, he and some friends had been going to a shooting range on Long Island for target practice. He told me I'd be going with him the next morning. We arrived at Calverton Shooting Range, which unbeknownst to our group was being watched by the FBI. When it was my turn to shoot, my father helped me hold the rifle to my shoulder and explained how to aim at the target about 30 yards off. That day, the last bullet I shot hit the small orange light that sat on top of the target and to everyone's surprise, especially mine, the entire target burst into flames. My uncle turned to the other men, and in Arabic said, "Ibn abuh." Like father, like son. They all seemed to get a really big laugh out of that comment, but it wasn't until a few years later that I fully understood what they thought was so funny. They thought they saw in me the same destruction my father was capable of. Those men would eventually be convicted of placing a van filled with 1,500 pounds of explosives into the sub-level parking lot of the World Trade Center's North Tower, causing an explosion that killed six people and injured over 1,000 others. These were the men I looked up to. These were the men I called ammu, which means uncle.

3:23
By the time I turned 19, I had already moved 20 times in my life, and that instability during my childhood didn't really provide an opportunity to make many friends. Each time I would begin to feel comfortable around someone, it was time to pack up and move to the next town. Being the perpetual new face in class, I was frequently the target of bullies. I kept my identity a secret from my classmates to avoid being targeted, but as it turns out, being the quiet, chubby new kid in class was more than enough ammunition. So for the most part, I spent my time at home reading books and watching TV or playing video games. For those reasons, my social skills were lacking, to say the least, and growing up in a bigoted household, I wasn't prepared for the real world. I'd been raised to judge people based on arbitrary measurements, like a person's race or religion.

4:17
So what opened my eyes? One of my first experiences that challenged this way of thinking was during the 2000 presidential elections. Through a college prep program, I was able to take part in the National Youth Convention in Philadelphia. My particular group's focus was on youth violence, and having been the victim of bullying for most of my life, this was a subject in which I felt particularly passionate. The members of our group came from many different walks of life. One day toward the end of the convention, I found out that one of the kids I had befriended was Jewish. Now, it had taken several days for this detail to come to light, and I realized that there was no natural animosity between the two of us. I had never had a Jewish friend before, and frankly I felt a sense of pride in having been able to overcome a barrier that for most of my life I had been led to believe was insurmountable. Another major turning point came when I found a summer job at Busch Gardens, an amusement park. There, I was exposed to people from all sorts of faiths and cultures, and that experience proved to be fundamental to the development of my character. Most of my life, I'd been taught that homosexuality was a sin, and by extension, that all gay people were a negative influence. As chance would have it, I had the opportunity to work with some of the gay performers at a show there, and soon found that many were the kindest, least judgmental people I had ever met. Being bullied as a kid created a sense of empathy in me toward the suffering of others, and it comes very unnaturally to me to treat people who are kind in any other way than how I would want to be treated. Because of that feeling, I was able to contrast the stereotypes I'd been taught as a child with real life experience and interaction. I don't know what it's like to be gay, but I'm well acquainted with being judged for something that's beyond my control.

6:24
Then there was "The Daily Show." On a nightly basis, Jon Stewart forced me to be intellectually honest with myself about my own bigotry and helped me to realize that a person's race, religion or sexual orientation had nothing to do with the quality of one's character. He was in many ways a father figure to me when I was in desperate need of one. Inspiration can often come from an unexpected place, and the fact that a Jewish comedian had done more to positively influence my worldview than my own extremist father is not lost on me.

7:04
One day, I had a conversation with my mother about how my worldview was starting to change, and she said something to me that I will hold dear to my heart for as long as I live. She looked at me with the weary eyes of someone who had experienced enough dogmatism to last a lifetime, and said, "I'm tired of hating people." In that instant, I realized how much negative energy it takes to hold that hatred inside of you.

7:34
Zak Ebrahim is not my real name. I changed it when my family decided to end our connection with my father and start a new life. So why would I out myself and potentially put myself in danger? Well, that's simple. I do it in the hopes that perhaps someone someday who is compelled to use violence may hear my story and realize that there is a better way, that although I had been subjected to this violent, intolerant ideology, that I did not become fanaticized. Instead, I choose to use my experience to fight back against terrorism, against the bigotry. I do it for the victims of terrorism and their loved ones, for the terrible pain and loss that terrorism has forced upon their lives. For the victims of terrorism, I will speak out against these senseless acts and condemn my father's actions. And with that simple fact, I stand here as proof that violence isn't inherent in one's religion or race, and the son does not have to follow the ways of his father. I am not my father.

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