USA - the right to bear arms ?

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USA - the right to bear arms ?

Post by terra » 05 Oct 2017, 22:03

If this wasn't so damn serious, it would be hilarious !

....oh dear, only in the USA !

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Re: USA - the right to bear arms ?

Post by Buck_naked » 05 Oct 2017, 23:04

This is the actual text of the second amendment aka right to bear arms:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

To me that means you have the right to bear arms as a member of a militia.
ie with training and supervision, - it does say 'well regulated'.

a swiss guy i knew had a military weapon in his possession as part of the local 'militia'
I think service is compulsory there. But i don't think he was allowed to have ammunition for it at home.

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Post by mavisbramston » 07 Oct 2017, 13:22

Spot on terra and buck. Sadly it is all about the power of the Gun lobby.

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Post by Warrigal » 07 Oct 2017, 14:51

Apparently, between Wall St and the NRA the US government has been bought and paid for. Voting is futile.
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Re: USA - the right to bear arms ?

Post by Perrorist » 07 Oct 2017, 16:12

A few candidates for the Darwin Awards there, especially the bloke who looked down the barrel of his rifle.

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Post by kfchugo » 07 Oct 2017, 17:21

For a supposedly democratic country, I am surprised that nobody has called for a referendum. If the majority voted for strcter gun laws, that SHOULD bypass the political influence of the NRA.

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Post by mavisbramston » 07 Oct 2017, 19:54

kfchugo wrote:
07 Oct 2017, 17:21
For a supposedly democratic country, I am surprised that nobody has called for a referendum. If the majority voted for strcter gun laws, that SHOULD bypass the political influence of the NRA.
Brilliant. How come thats never been discussed or considered. Well said

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Post by Perrorist » 07 Oct 2017, 20:25

Perhaps it's because gun control laws vary from state to state.

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Post by Warrigal » 07 Oct 2017, 20:59

If our government can use the corporations power to bypass the states then I'm pretty sure the US could do something similar. IMO they are gutless because they have been bought by the armaments industry and the NRA.
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Post by kfchugo » 07 Oct 2017, 21:12

Another point well worth considering - when the U.S. constitution was written, the "arms" people were entitled to bear were muzzle loaded muskets. I would have no issues with the population bearing such arms today, but not the military grade weaponry so prevalent in the U.S. today. That whole nation seems to be bereft of any kind of common sense on the issue.

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Post by Slapsy » 07 Oct 2017, 22:36

A friend of mine has just returned from the US. He likened it to a third world country trying to catch up.
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Post by Perrorist » 08 Oct 2017, 06:16

Democrats and Republicans are controlled by their donors and rely on their funding and that of PACs to run candidates for election. This has pushed them too close together on issues like gun control to ever allow a referendum on this issue.

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Post by mavisbramston » 08 Oct 2017, 09:44

Yet this country has a referendum, plebicite. Call it what ever you like on equal rights and marriage yet our Government just goes ahead and bans guns.
Not sure what my point is.
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Re: USA - the right to bear arms ?

Post by mavisbramston » 10 Oct 2017, 10:04

It amazes me that people can fall for twisted logic. Not sure there is any logic any way. Despite the clear concise opinions expressed here red necks still push forward the view that guns dont kill people, people kill people. Changing the gun laws they claim will not work. Could all these people have been killed by a man with a knife? Bull dust.
Red necks seems to rely on catch phrases like the right to bare arms.
Its like the tired old cliches the right use constantly...abortion is murder, God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve (pathetic) and its in the constitution.

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