A plea from Mavis

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Re: A plea from Mavis

Post by Slapsy » 11 Sep 2017, 15:59

Sprinkling glitter on them is not going to convince the NO side to change their opinion. If the gay supporters do not get back on track the fight will be lost,and they will be back where they started.
The question is only about whether two people can be married. The NO side is talking about everything but the issue. Let them make fools of themselves,but surely,gay people wanting marriage equality should stay with the issue.
Bullying behaviour,by either side will not work. Anybody throwing glitter over me,because I had a different opinion,would be a bully in my opinion. It is not all one way.
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Re: A plea from Mavis

Post by Perrorist » 11 Sep 2017, 16:35

Agree, Slapsy. Confrontation doesn't change minds.

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Re: A plea from Mavis

Post by Perrorist » 11 Sep 2017, 16:40

My daughter at the Marriage Equality rally-cum-march in Sydney yesterday:

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Re: A plea from Mavis

Post by mavisbramston » 11 Sep 2017, 19:38

Fantastic. You must be proud of her. I dont even know her and I am. :happy-sunshine:

With people like Andrew Bolt spreading hate I am sad he is so popular with some people. My glitter comment was unsuccesful irony. Sorry.
I deleted it . Lesson for Mavis...some gags go better on stage than in print.

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Re: A plea from Mavis

Post by Slapsy » 12 Sep 2017, 13:42

Putting glitter in the envelope with your survey probably won't work either. :eek :eek

One of the best cases for the YES vote was on Australian Story,last night. I am surprised that Twitter didn't light up with claims of ABC bias.
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Re: A plea from Mavis

Post by Dreamweaver » 13 Sep 2017, 17:53

Attitudes it seems are more to do with population density than party politics!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-13/s ... ss/8788978

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Post by Buck_naked » 14 Sep 2017, 08:15

interesting debate on the drum a couple nights ago, -they had David Marr as a guest.
why should anyone/any institution be exempt from the laws of this country.
If we followed that, religions would still be burning witches and running slaves .
No one should be exempt from the law, -it should apply to everyone regardless of race colour creed or social stature

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Re: A plea from Mavis

Post by Perrorist » 14 Sep 2017, 09:24

Organised religion should be subject to the law the same as the rest of our institutions, but what do you think about an individual objecting on the grounds of personal belief?

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Re: A plea from Mavis

Post by Dreamweaver » 14 Sep 2017, 10:12

It has always been the case where the law prohibits us from doing anything deemed illegal even if we believe it should be legal.
It has never attempted to force anyone to do something deemed legal if we do not wish to for any reason, except for common law like failing to render assistance when needed.

I don't believe this should change for an individual, a business, or an organisation. But a government authority, being supposedly uninfluenced by outside belief, should do what it is set up to do. If an individual is employed in a government authority, they agree to comply with what they are employed to do.

So common law like failing to render assistance could cover a hotel failing to provide shelter when needed, but not a baker failing to provide a wedding cake which is desired but not needed for survival.

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Re: A plea from Mavis

Post by Warrigal » 14 Sep 2017, 12:06

I find the wedding cake issue to be a distraction.

IMO a cake decorator ought to have some say in the direction his business is moving. For example, if a business in Oxford Street Sydney decided to cater exclusively for the LBGTI community but was asked to decorate a cake for a traditional wedding, he would have a dilemma. Should he be required to comply with the request or should he have leeway to say "Sorry, but we don't do cakes like that. You should try another cake shop." ?

While I might not like the motives of a decorator who refuses to decorate a cake for a gay wedding, I respect his right to refuse the commission. I do not approve of him being pushed into a corner by an activist who wishes to make a political statement which is what I suspect happened in the case of the US business. Whichever way it happened, I think we need to worry about any attempt to force people to go against their consciences. A cake is much less important than losing the ability to act according to one's principles.

One the other hand, the manner of the refusal is also important. There is no need to be offensive.
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Re: A plea from Mavis

Post by Buck_naked » 14 Sep 2017, 19:47

The cake maker would be breaching the law in queensland.
From the queensland government site explaining the laws as they stand now:

"It is illegal to discriminate against someone in work, education, state government laws and programs, accommodation, when supplying goods and services and other areas, on the basis of characteristics such as sex, relationship status, pregnancy, breastfeeding, family responsibilities, parental status, age, race, impairment, religious belief or activity, political belief or activity, trade union activity, status as a legal sex worker, gender identity, or sexuality or an association with a person identified by one of these characteristics."

https://www.qld.gov.au/law/your-rights/ ... our-rights

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Re: A plea from Mavis

Post by kfchugo » 15 Sep 2017, 09:21

Just my opinion, but I think that all this talk is futile and counter productive. This is a very emotive issue that has been discussed ad nauseum over many years and I doubt if many people will suddenly change their views at this 11th hour. I am happy to just keep my mouth shut and VOTE.

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Re: A plea from Mavis

Post by maybenot » 15 Sep 2017, 09:50

I think that most people don't give a toss about which side gets the vote, I certainly don't , it won't make a bit of difference in my life but , legal or not, it will never change my view that a "marriage' consists of a male and female, who are regarded as husband and wife.
According to some people, this means that I must be homophobic, I'm not.
Reality is ruining my life

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Re: A plea from Mavis

Post by terra » 15 Sep 2017, 10:01

Welcome to the 'peers maybenot !
:thumbs_up:
Yeah.... I reckon this topic has been thrashed to death.
Let's move on.
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Re: A plea from Mavis

Post by Perrorist » 15 Sep 2017, 11:05

It's not homophobic, maybenot, unless derogatory remarks are made about those who would benefit from the introduction of same sex marriage. This forum is thankfully respectful of them. May it ever be so, whichever side "wins".

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