I want Clinton as President

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I want Clinton as President

Post by mavisbramston » 30 May 2016, 08:27

Its sort of hard to ignore American elections.
This one, to put it mildly, is certainly vibrant and dare I say it ,interesting. Of course otherwords come to mind.
Hilarie Clinton has been unfairly attacked and vilified. Some years ago she was tipped to win but beaten by a very impressive and as it turned out brilliant candidate.
However I wont for now sing the praises of Obama. History will do that and his own record. Obama and Eisenhower in my view were Americas best post war Presidents.
This election time the slick polished Hilarie looked a definte but Bernie Sanders came in. He continues to discredit Hilarie and he is without a doubt THE TRUMP CARD.
If Sanders stands instead of Clinton a Trump victory will be definite.
Certainly Sanders has supporters. Many of them. Hell I am a leftie and I like much of what he says.
HOWEVER in America he is unelectable. WHY?
Because Americans fear even a slight whiff of socialism. Franky even though they have no idea what socialism means the mere word terrifies the Americans. Sanders has not been a Democrat long. I find him pleasant even in some ways refreshing but UNELECTABLE.
Being nice and likeable does not make a great President.
Lets face it one of our best Prime MInisters was far from likeable and he ened up being qite clearl arguably our best. I am obviously referring to Keating.

Meanwhile Hilarie gets rubbish thrown at her from every quarter. Sanders Trump and a hotile media all are on a campaign to bring down potentially a great Presiential candidate.
Flawless? No.
Past gaffs, which if she were man, would be forgotten but Hilarie is a target for the kind of sexist verbiage Gillard got.
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Re: I want Clinton as President

Post by grandduke » 30 May 2016, 08:39

I’m for Bernie go Bernie go Hillary Rodham Clinton
has had her moments of glory time for Bernie. :wqoohoo
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Re: I want Clinton as President

Post by Buck_naked » 30 May 2016, 09:39

All the predictions about Trump have been wrong. he just keeps getting stronger in the polls.
Head to head against Trump i would not be betting on Clinton.
The elites/media have just completely misread the mood of the battlers out in middle america.
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Re: I want Clinton as President

Post by mavisbramston » 30 May 2016, 13:43

Buck I cannot see how Trump is for the battlers. Just curious why you say that? Not having a go at you it just seemed odd.

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Re: I want Clinton as President

Post by grandduke » 30 May 2016, 14:05

Its an assumption i.e. a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof: quite different to facts. :thinking:
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Post by Buck_naked » 30 May 2016, 14:39

mavisbramston wrote:Buck I cannot see how Trump is for the battlers. Just curious why you say that? Not having a go at you it just seemed odd.
What the researchers are saying is a lot of people are still suffering from the GFC and loss of jobs/uncertainty.
People are shaking the tree and looking at non traditional candidates, - Sanders and Trump.Opposite sides of the coin.
"Gonna make america great again, gonna build a wall, gonna place tariffs on Chinese goods"
simplistic stuff, appeals to a lot of people obviously.
Trump knows how to play the media game, a lot of people said he would never get this far
But there he is getting stronger every day.
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Re: I want Clinton as President

Post by Perrorist » 30 May 2016, 14:56

I've not seen a recent poll, but up until a few weeks ago they were saying Trump had a good chance of defeating Clinton, but not Sanders.

I prefer Sanders. Like Trump, he would shake the tree, but Sanders would do it for the people whereas Trump would act in his own interests.

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Re: I want Clinton as President

Post by mavisbramston » 30 May 2016, 17:00

It is still odd to me why Hilarie is so unpopular with some people. Its a pity because I think she is a top talent. Still time will tell. I just hope whether its Hilarie or Sanders i hope who ever loses bows out gracefully and focusses on defeating Trump. Thanks very much buck for your excellent answer to my question and although I dont quite see it that I really appreciate the intelligent discussion.

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Re: I want Clinton as President

Post by Buck_naked » 30 May 2016, 18:52

Clinton is carrying baggage built up over years.
some people hated Bill clinton, guilt by association.
some people hated the GFC occurred on her watch.
Being too close to wall street.
There is a thing called 'political capital' , its basically goodwill the people have towards a politician. as soon as they start the job they going to upset people by the basic need to make decisions. Cut taxes/raise taxes/cut programs/change health care/go to war/lose a war./gay marriage
No matter what you do in political life you will burn goodwill, especially if you make tough decisions.
Pollies have a use-by date.

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Re: I want Clinton as President

Post by mavisbramston » 31 May 2016, 11:32

True at least the use by date.
Are you reading this Cory Bernardi??

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Re: I want Clinton as President

Post by grandduke » 31 May 2016, 12:07

But Mavis Cory is the glamour boy of the senate with the silver
spoon in his mouth according to jacqui who wants to grab him
by the throat, he suffers from the Salmon fetish by swimming up
river on voting due to a vision of his own magnificence. :heeheehee :heeheehee

Back to Hillary, she will get their because she and bill belong to the American elite.

But Bernie understands whats needed to cure America’s problems and that basically is inequality and it will not go away either in America or any other country where it exists until its rectified.
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Re: I want Clinton as President

Post by Slapsy » 31 May 2016, 12:09

Mavis,I know that you spend a bit of time in America,so maybe you could explain how the delegates are decided on the Democrat side. As an example of my problems with this strange system I have submitted a link to the Indiana primaries :

http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/indiana

You will see that Sanders has clearly won the vote,but Clinton gains more delegates. Why?

What is the purpose of the popular vote,if the delegates are already decided? There are other similar states,where the margins have been even greater,and if the delegates had been allocated proportionally then the Democrat contest would be much closer.

:thinking: :thinking:

ps ... I just saw hawkeye lurking around,so maybe he could explain this mystery.
The punters know that the horse called Morality rarely gets past the post,whereas the nag called Self-interest always runs a good race. ..... Gough Whitlam 19/10/89

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Re: I want Clinton as President

Post by mavisbramston » 31 May 2016, 17:43

Dont get me wrong folks I like Bernie and prefer his politics its just based on what I know about America I cant see it happening.
So the choice will be Trump or Clinton. I am sure we all prefer Hilarie.
I dont think much of the American voting system. When it comes to picking the candidates its not just about the public vote.
Personally I see little point in the public vote at least as it stands for now.
I find the college system pretty strange too. Look back on Al Gore who could have been a great President and clearly won but look what we got. He was quite simply and factually robbed. But what was done was strangely acceptable.
I digress. Fifteen per cent of the Democrats are elite in other words former congress people, ex presidents and they are also members of the Democratic Nationals. THey are held in high regard and rarely challenged. They are oten called super delegates.
They can vote for who ever they like. I think the reason they dismiss Bernie is because they do not see him as a Democrat. Americans are quite naive when it comes to fear. They fear socialism even though they have o idea of its true meaning. I stress thats just an opinion.This year, because in November, 359 of the 712 superdelegates told the Associated Press that they were already committed to Clinton, as opposed to only eight for Sanders it looks certain she will get the nod.They must win over half the delegates.
Fair?
Not sure. It has worked for many years but perhaps it is time for review.
You have all stated yor vews well but I think Hilarie has remarkable resilience.
One thing is for certain many Americans I know are feel pretty worried about Trump. They do not share my enthusiam for Clinton.
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Re: I want Clinton as President

Post by Perrorist » 31 May 2016, 17:49

I prefer Sanders by a large margin over Clinton. She's establishment from the crown of her head to her painted toenails. We need mavericks or matters will get worse.

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Re: I want Clinton as President

Post by mavisbramston » 31 May 2016, 18:08

If the Democrats pick Bernie then a Trump victory is definite.

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