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The U.S. and the ICC

Post by kfchugo » 11 Sep 2018, 09:54

Trump is now threatening sanctions against the International Criminal Court and any countries that support it. This springs from talk of the ICC investigating behavior of U.S. military in the middle east who have reportedly murdered and tortured captives. This represents a new low even for Trump who seems to hold himself and his country above any law other than their own. It appears that government transparency and accountability are a thing of the past while Trump is in the White House. On the world stage, Trump continues to behave like a bully and a thug and it is high time the rest of the world stood up to him. :character-oldtimer:

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Post by Warrigal » 11 Sep 2018, 10:27

This didn't begin with Trump.
It is a long held policy of the US that none of their military personnel will ever face an international court.

They wouldn't have to if the US brought them before appropriate US courts.

What is different here is that Trump is threatening any country that even co-operates in any investigation of alleged US atrocities.
You are right Hugo, the rest of the world should stand up to him but I cannot see Australia having the necessary backbone.
If you don't have an ASIO file by now then you should be ashamed of yourself.

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Post by Perrorist » 11 Sep 2018, 12:00

Warrigal wrote:
11 Sep 2018, 10:27
...the rest of the world should stand up to him but I cannot see Australia having the necessary backbone.
Sadly so.

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Post by kfchugo » 11 Sep 2018, 14:08

There is no doubt that there are tremendous advantages for us in our alliance and co-operation with the U.S. in terms of trade, military and intelligence sharing etc., and the deterrant value should any nation contemplate agression against us. Having acknowledged that, surely at some point we need to measure the costs against those advantages? Major players on the world stage such as the U.S., Russia, China etc as well as emerging powers such as India and Pakistan will all try to flex their muscles and aggregate power. We smaller nations have little bargaining power except for the power of refusal. We should refuse to accept bullying tactics, unreasonable demands or failure of nations to be accountable for their actions. If diplomacy and negotiation fail, we should consider partial or full disengagement with offenders. Now, I am certain that International relations are not that simple, but any action to demonstrate our displeasure is better than the silence that condones.

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Post by Perrorist » 11 Sep 2018, 14:39

We didn't use to be this servile. Remember when Richard Butler was our UN ambassador in the 90s? He often spoke against US interests. Later, he attacked Bush and Howard over the Iraq war. Our best ever diplomat.

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Post by Tedwalker » 11 Sep 2018, 15:27

We still don't know if Trump's inner circle is thwarting some of his directives, as in the anonymous newspaper article.
If so, the US and the ICC threat may not eventuate.

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Post by Perrorist » 11 Sep 2018, 16:24

I expect it is true, Ted. Bob Woodward is a highly respected journalist whose investigations helped unseat Nixon. He says he has all the interviews recorded, though he won't reveal sources, just as you would expect.

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