The army is not a dumping ground

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Re: The army is not a dumping ground

Post by Dreamweaver » 03 May 2018, 20:46

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The purpose of national service was never to make kids more respectful of authority (hardly an Australian characteristic, anyway). It was to train them in case of armed conflict. Is there still merit in this?
That's why I wondered why the Police Cadets have vanished, and I think there was something like a cadet scheme for national emergencies, assisting in times of flood, fire, drought, farmers' help (like Land Army), pensioners help, a bit like older boy scouts. But my memory isn't serving me well.
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Re: The army is not a dumping ground

Post by Perrorist » 03 May 2018, 20:53

As with many issues of this nature, we have to start at the top. What examples are being offered by those who should be our exemplars? Respect is not something to be imposed but earned.

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Re: The army is not a dumping ground

Post by Warrigal » 04 May 2018, 09:47

Dreamweaver wrote:
03 May 2018, 20:46
Perrorist wrote:
03 May 2018, 17:58
The purpose of national service was never to make kids more respectful of authority (hardly an Australian characteristic, anyway). It was to train them in case of armed conflict. Is there still merit in this?
That's why I wondered why the Police Cadets have vanished, and I think there was something like a cadet scheme for national emergencies, assisting in times of flood, fire, drought, farmers' help (like Land Army), pensioners help, a bit like older boy scouts. But my memory isn't serving me well.
We have the SES now.
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Re: The army is not a dumping ground

Post by Dreamweaver » 04 May 2018, 10:42

Warrigal wrote:
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We have the SES now.
Let's have an SES cadet corps, semi-compulsory for a certain period.
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Re: The army is not a dumping ground

Post by Warrigal » 05 May 2018, 12:19

Why compulsory?
I can't think of anything more guaranteed to kill the spirit of volunteerism that making young people serve against their will.
Also, it seems very much like using a sledge hammer to crack a nut.
I just don't a big problem with out of control teens that would warrant such an approach.
Tackling teen unemployment by training them for real jobs on the other hand is a very good idea.
Boosting funding for TAFE would get my vote before any conscription of teens into the military or any quasi military organisation.
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Re: The army is not a dumping ground

Post by Dreamweaver » 05 May 2018, 22:41

I thought semi-compulsory would get around that, as I agree it's not suitable for all, yet some would benefit from having a direction laid out for them for a year or two, relieving them from the burden of early decision making. USA has a National Guard system -
National Guards train one weekend each month, with one two-week training period each year. They’re typically called into action by a state governor, who can send them to the site of any officially declared emergency in the state. This is usually a weather-related emergency, but civil unrest or terrorist attacks are other emergencies they may respond to. Guard troops can also be used for security details at borders and airports. While state governors command their state’s guard troops, each state has an adjutant general who acts as a liaison, interpreting the governor’s orders into specific tactical decisions.
Do you think that is an okay idea?
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Re: The army is not a dumping ground

Post by Dreamweaver » 05 May 2018, 22:59

Aren't real jobs fast disappearing in the medium skilled range, that robots can tackle? Speaking simplistically, I know, but I think social savvy will be more valuable for a while, even such as a child might have, though the wisdom of maturity too is hard to teach a robot. More education is vital to get into the higher rated administration and planning positions, and many of those don't have enduring potential - who knows. I can see G.P.'s work being taken over by specialists, nurses, and a variety of therapists.
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Re: The army is not a dumping ground

Post by Perrorist » 06 May 2018, 07:19

I don't understand what is meant by "semi-compulsory". Are you saying that everyone has to do National Guard training? If so, it's compulsory.

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Re: The army is not a dumping ground

Post by Dreamweaver » 06 May 2018, 13:49

I knew it wasn't a good label when I wrote it, but too lazy to go into details! I suppose just that there is a strong expectation to serve that short period, but there must be great leniency for those opting out. You don't have to comply if (this that or the other.)
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